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and right as >>> the bulldozers are out and obama care is get being plowed left and right. and now on the record is taking you inside those hearings. but first, the oversight committee. >> we had a several hour hearing, and i still can't tell you who was responsible for the website. i can tell you it's not the president. it's not kathleen sebelius. it's not any of the people you would think would be responsible, and there are no consequences, or if there are, i haven't seen them today. >> and down the hall, and inside the energy and commerce hearing, a congressman who is a doctor going right for the jugular. >> i'm a doc. when i see that the peel who would come to see me are having this many cuts in the programs that cover them, intuitively, common sense tells you they will have increased problem the finding a doctor, they will have higher co-pays, and fewer choices. >> small business owners are not happy. they claim obama care regulations are killing their businesses. >> it's a buzzing distraction in the back of your head all the time. how are we going to handle this. how are we g
>>> president obama today tried to dismiss the problems that continue to playing the obama care website healthcare.gov, but the reality is the website still isn't working as it should. the obama administration still won't tell us how many people have successfully enrolled and purchased obama care insurance. we will have considerably more comment on those circumstances here tonight. i'm lou dobbs. >>> good evening everybody. the president today defiantly declared that baem care is here to stay regardless of its failures during a sometimes rambling, at times contradictory speech that included shots at republicans for opposing obama care. >> we've learned not to make wild promises about how perfectly smooth it's going to be at all times. do not let the initial problems with the website discourage you. we're going to keep on working to fix whatever problems come up. whatever comes up, we're going to fix them. we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> those statements come after announcing just yesterday and again today that the administration had met their own self-imposed
democrats may pay a heavy political price for obama care. jim angle with what may be another broken promise from the president. peter doocy continues his attempts to sign up for insurance but we begin with ed henry on what, if anything, has changed. good evening, ed. >> reporter: good evening, bret. the administration took a bit of a victory lap over the weekend over healthcare.gov but tonight the question is whether online users are simply being pushed from one waiting line to another. president obama's aides struggled today to explain whether they really met the deadline to fix healthcare.gov after consumers reported getting a new page telling them there's so much traffic, they have been thrown into a queue to wait, which the white house insists is progress. >> i think you're confusing error messages with the queueing message, which is quite a different thing entirely. >> reporter: it was only yesterday the tech team led by jeffrey zients claimed victory in meeting the november 30th deadline, saying the site was doing so much better that the queueing system was not needed sunday. >> the s
, is the obama care website a hacker's paradise? >>> but first, here's what some of our fox affiliates across the country are covering tonight. kttv in los angeles with the latest on the car crash that killed actor paul walker. autopsy results say he was killed by the combined effects of the impact and subsequent fire. investigators are still trying to determine what caused that car to careen out of control. wsvn in miami with nearly four dozen pilot whales stranded in shallow water in a remote area of florida's everglades national park. ten have already died. workers are trying to coax the remaining whales back into deeper water. >>> and this is a live look at eden prairie, minnesota, from fox 9. the big story there tonight is the storm that has spread about two feet of snow in northeastern minnesota. heavy snow and ice have contributed to hundreds of traffic accidents around that state and were cited in at least four fatal crashes since monday. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back. vo: it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollmen
of obama care, right, and who famously, the citizens of kentucky have reaped the benefit. kentucky now leads the nation in new sign-ups for health insurance, and that would be huge anywhere. it is a particularly huge deal for a state whose population is as unhealthful as kentucky's is. i don't mean any offense by it, but kentucky's population ranks at the bottom or toward the bottom of the nation's health ratings in lots and lots and lots of different categories, and kentucky has a lot of uninsured people. and it's the exact same deal two states over in mississippi, but in these two states, in the same part of the country, with the same health problems in their populations and a lot of the same challenges, one of them, kentucky, is now best in the nation in terms of people getting health insurance, and one of them, mississippi, is now worst in the nation, and not because they wouldn't know how to fix their problem. they knew how to fix their problem, but they stopped fixing it. mississippi has enrolled a smaller percentage of its population than any other state in the nation. they do n
under the aca, but under obama care as a whole. take a listen. >> first of all, this isn't comprehensive because it's excluding the undocumented immigrant and it's excluding the unborn baby, so we begin to bristle at that. and secondly we said, and wait a minute, we who are pretty -- we catholics who are kind of among the pros when it comes to providing health care do it because of our religious conviction and because of the dictates of our conscience and now we're being asked to violate some of those. so that's when we began to worry and drawback and say mr. president, please, you're really kind of -- you're really kind of pushing aside some of your greatest supporters here. >> congressman, as a catholic do you agree with that? the cardinal went on to say they have been on the front end of this, i think he threw out 1919, trying to get our government to take up what it means to have health care in this country. but do you think that catholic supporters are going to hear the cardinal there and say, you know what, maybe i don't think so highly of obama care. >> i just hope that all suppor
on what the alternative would look like, john boehner equivocated. >> when you look at obama care, you see a government-centered health care delivery system. that's not what the american people want. the american people want to be able to pick their own type of health insurance and own doctor and they want to pick their own hospital. that's what a patient-centered health care system looks like. >> will that be up for a vote in 2014? >> will that be up for a vote in 2014? >> we'll see. >> the fact is there is not a bill being concocted. boehner and tom cole tried a save, arguing that republicans have put alternatives on the table. >> we have been putting ideas on the table and the president hasn't put very many ideas on the table. tom price is a physician has one. republican study has one. there is over 200 pieces of republican-respon republican-sponsored legislation out there. >> nothing passed because there is no unity about what the plan should look like. >> not like they are winning the war. not trying to leave that impression. they haven't been losing it to republicans. former presiden
, particularly since the fumble with obama care. the republicans may see an opening and may be a reason for them to try to get some things done. >> so, i mean, you talk about the farm bill. do they have a long way away on how much they want to trim from that? democrats want to trim 4 billion, represent can't want to trim 40 billion. this is from the food stamps department. yes, they're talking, which is a good thing. there's still a lot of distance. >> well, there's distance on the food stamp program and that's always the case. democrats, remember, those are more -- those are perceived to be more democratic constituents so they will want to do less, particularly in a mid-term election. i think you can get there, come together middle of the road, split the baby. this farm bill is important to republicans. that shows that the republicans are showing a lot more flexibility. they need a win more than the democrats need a win in this mid-term election particularly because they see that they may have the president and the democrats on their heel with obama care. if they can get a farm bill done and th
they wanted to do two months ago. start a public campaign for the health care law over law. president obama will kick-start the e effort with an event at the white house this afternoon. of course this comes nine weeks after the first rollout which was marked by glitches and crashes as well as repeated promises from the administration that things would get better. >> nobody's madder than me about the website is working as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed. >> no one ever imagined the volume of issues and problems that we've had, and we must fix it. >> there is an enormous amount of work going on on a daily basis to make the necessary fixes and to upgrade the site with the goal of making it fully functional for the vast majority of users by the end of this month. >> i am confident that by by the time we look back on this next year that people are going to say this is working well and it's helping a lot of people. >> after all that, the white house finally appears comfortable enough to say that the website is workable and workable enough to start promoting it. late yesterd
him with a car and attacked him with a meat cleaver and knives. >> the obama care website gets an upgrade. you're watching "around the world." i'm frederick cag whitfield. >> i'm michael holmes. let's start with the fatal commuter train crash in the bronx, ntsb investigators is say they have now downloaded information from what's called an event recorder on board that could tell them what made the train jump the tracks on sunday. >> authorities are also looking for any video out there that could help explain exactly what went wrong. four people were killed and dozens more hurt in the crash. at least one doctor says survivors might need mental health care. >> not surprising, too. have a listen to what some passengers said about the experience. >> i thought i'm going to die, to be honest. i thought i'm going to die. >> i broke my arm. it's really painful. >> i heard a lot of crunching and grinding and started seeing stars in front of my eyes and thought, my goodness, is this the end. >> i heard a screeching noise. i happened to be by the window. i still heard a screeching noise a
dose of obama care failures and embarrassments keeps rolling on. yet president obama still holds another pep rally today for his ev ever faltering health care law. this time the pep rally had no pep. a new report says about a third of all the obama care enrollees may not be enrolled. that's the reported failure rate on the so-called back end information that is sent to insurance companies. in other words, thousands of the nation's fast food
. health care salvageable to you? >> no, i really don't think so. i think obama care is still unworkable, unpopular, and unfundable. what this is is a program that has accelerated our path to a single-payer system even though the president denies this. harry reid's comment, i mean, that was a classic case of what are you going to believe, your lying eyes or me? your lying neighbors and their narratives about how hard it is to work into the program, how skyrocketing their health care kobss is under this new program. this is a case where repeal is the only logical way of avoiding a catastrophe. >> susan, does the president in this argument, and he's not going to repeal -- he's not going to let this law get repealed, does he have new juice because the website horror stories are trickling downward. the economy is looking like not great but better. does he gather some new steam from this? >> i think it's one of the cases where the reality will matter. obviously the website is working better for consumers but we don't know how well it's working for working with the insurers getting these peopl
initial discussions. at the end of the day obama care is not working well. the website will eventually get up and running at the end of the day. those kind of problems will continue no matter what happens on the budget discussion. our other republicans of your mindset or with many of them tried to do what we saw a few months ago? guest: the sequester is the big issue. that was small budget costs -- what it cuts. -- budget cuts. if we can maintain those cuts, that is a step in the right direction and if we can do something about rolling back obama care, we will see some progress. there are enrollment error stories, talking about the number signing up. what are your concerns on the technical aspect of the website? guest: it is not a failed website, it is a failed health care approach. can washington improve our health care system? they are welcome to. are the white house as they operating with free-market efficiency, i think he admitted that maybe the government should not be running this hold health care system, making those changes. every time the white house signs of a new individual for
at all through the website. but former adviser to president obama david pluf insisted obama care will be viewed as a success even if it doesn't happen until after the president is out of office. >> this program was designed to be implemented by the states. in most of the states running our exchanges is going quite well. you talk about medicaid. i think it's just a fact that it may take until 2017 when this president leaves offs, you'll see almost every state running their own exchanges and expanding medicaid. i think it will work really well then. >> let's fast forward to the state of the union and months after that. a lot of people signing up, economy sting continuing to strengthen. i think americans confidence will recover. >> a slew of international news to get to. start in afghanistan. american officials denying accusations from president karzai that the u.s. is withholding supplies to gain leverage in the negotiations between the two countries. karzai and his national security council say they believe the u.s. has cut off military supplies and fuel deliveries in order to pre
but i don't know why he says you don't have any. >> attitude. the only thing we can do is obama care. all the while obamacare is crumbling. what we are seeing is people just are shocked first of all that they can't keep their plan that they were promised that they could. they are shocked at the premium increases. wait until the deductibles start to hit in january. so we have got a very serious situation. those of us in the house believe much, much better prospects for patient-centered plan. >> do you talk to him at all? >> i have talked to the president, and, again, i don't have a great opportunity to do so because the president really doesn't engage on capitol hill. that's part of the problem. and it's not that way with all those in the white house. in fact, i have had a great relationship with the vice president. i'm able to bounce ideas off of him. but, unfortunately, somehow the communication doesn't always happen with the president. >> why? i mean, supposedly, you would think work together, he would call you, you would call him. >> i mean at this point, perhaps maybe he will beg
of the day obama care care is not working well. the website will eventually get up and running at the end of the day. those kind of problems will continue no matter what happens on the budget discussion. host: are other republicans of your mindset or with many of them tried to do what we saw a few months ago? guest: the sequester is the big issue. that was small budget cuts. if we can maintain those cuts, that is a step in the right direction and if we can do something about rolling back obamacare, we will see some progress. host: there are enrollment error stories, talking about the number signing up. what are your concerns on the -- aside from the technical aspect of the website? guest: it is not a failed website, it is a failed health care approach. can washington improve our health care system? they are welcome to. when the white house as they are operating with free-market efficiency, i think he admitted that maybe the government should not be running this hold health care system, making those changes. every time the white house signs of a new individual for medicaid, the person is o
went after republicans on obama care challenging them on these ideas of repeal and saying that republicans owe it to the american people to tell them what they're for when it comes to health care reform, not just being against the affordable care act. a couple things going on in the president's speech, rallying the base, also going after republicans laying markers down for the budget battles to come. >> that issue is becoming more and more talked about, income inequality, wealth disparity if you like, which is very marked in the united states. is there a sense in washington this could become a big election issue? >> i think it could be. one thing the president did mention and white house officials have said is that this is sort of a preview of some of what he'll be talking about in the state of the union speech. not only today is, he's going to be talking about when he gives his state of the union address. that takes us into the midterm election cycle we're going to be seeing getting very, very fierce in the next several months. yes, you're going to hear the president talk
at the ballot box. and when we lose at the ballot box we get policies like obama care. cantor noticed due to party infighting republicans fail to hold a single major statewide office in virginia. last time that happened was 1969. the same year neil armstrong walked on the moon. on the other side of the aisle there are signs that the unified front of the democratic party may be cracking. a week ago a "wall street journal" op-ed from a centrist think tank called third way targeted bill de blasio and elizabeth warren saying economic populism will be disastrous for democrats. the piece warns senator warren's plan to expand entitlements like social security and medicare by raising taxes and closing corporate loopholes is a dead end for democrats. liberal groups supporting warren are pushing back calling on high-profile democratic members of congress to disavow the piece. >> going to be interesting. republicans seem to be really starting -- be more unified after the disaster of the government shutdown and eric cantor speaking from a state where no republican holds an office. >> he's been fannin
act or obama care or dodd frank regular latering the banks and so forth and so on, it was other stuff. but the point was -- this is the data point. and this is what has many people -- the gerrymander has split the house. you have people on the far right, the far left. the president -- the districts are drawn. all republican, all democrat. in the senate, it's two things. the fact that no one votes the primaries, which is the point i'm about to make, and the role of big money. you asked me what changed? there was a case decided by the supreme court that now allows unlimited amounts of money to be donated to flow into the campaign. so what happened to dick luger. first -- this was not a secret election. there's millions of dollars on advertising. i knew there was a big election. everybody knew the election was coming up. the voter turnout on the primary, 18%. one in five eligible republican voters. the same thing for democratic primaries. who are the 8%? the most partisan, the most ideological, people are mad about something. if we can get the voter turnout up to 40% primaries, you could
house officials insisted that they met their self-imposed deadline to fix health care knockout and they claim that it's working smoothly for the majority of users on health care knockout. but the facts suggest otherwise. i am lou dobbs. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everyone. the obama administration official in charge of fixing the obamacare site. he said there is a night and day difference between the health care.gov website that launched on october 1 in the one working today. wartime here. according to the white house, a five-week technology surge has doubled the website capacity and equipment can handle 30,000 consumers at the same time. and with some good reason. this is the page that came up when our colleague peter ducey logon. a page of gibberish filled with question marks. and it's not just frustrated consumers but insurers say that they are still dealing with an obamacare mass because functions have not even been built yet. and that means the administration's goal of enrolling 7 million people by the end of march, well, that could be the latest in what has turned out to
to different ideas. >> i think he is in denial. as health care is a complete mess, but it looks like obama is in denial about this mass and he is making sure that he put something a little bit more socialistic in place and he wants to create a health care system that he feels is in america's best interest. >> because he believes in his own correctness and vision and even if it's not working out. and it's scary and frightening really. lou: the one i thank you for your analysis as always. >> if president obama wants to come and talk to me, i am open. lou: we urge you to, mr. president. that's it for tonight, thank you for being with us. congressman randy forbes with us tomorrow. good night from new york. e. e. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any her place in the world. in fact, we've invested over $55 billion here in the last five years - making bp america's largest energy investor. our commitment has never been stronger. [announcer]...if you think the best bed for one of you might be a compromise for the other one... [woman]ask me about our tempur-pedic
sickened with the disease. >> the steps officials are taking to contain the outbreak. >> president obama's health care allow could force doctors to take on more patients. that how that could affect your medical care. >> $60 billion, it is our big number of the day, and it's how much one tech giant could be giving back. where that money will be going. >> todd, big number, $60 billion, that's the number brooklyn hour carl eye cob wants apple to give back to investors in a share buy o. back. it's a dispute between the two sides and the center of time's cover story. he wants them to spend more of its massive stockpile. his initial request was $100 billion. he believes the giant should share more wealth with stock hold jeers a lot of money to give back. welcome back. >> a new meningitis scare erupted at another university, sickening four people so far. this particular strain has no treatment. we'll find out what steps are being taken to battle the disease. >> we've got a lot to talk about, meteorologist nicole mitchell. >> there are decent ones out there. where it's most critical is northern
details this morning. president obama watched his signature health care plan sink from the sidelines holding only one private meeting with kathleen sebelius in three and a half years. should he have been more involved? we report, you decide. >> it wasn't even private at that. the president pitching obamacare to the young people. >> if you're a bartender, have a happy hour. and also probably get health insurance as a lot of bartenders don't have it. >> that's right, get them tanked up. why the young people in this country, the ones who voted for that man you saw a moment ago, losing faith in the commander in chief. >> if you clean offices, put sticky pads on people's desks, buy health insurance so they have something to look at. it is a christmas classic played out under ground. >> stick your tongue on that pole. >> are you kidding? stick my tongue on that stupid pole? gee! >> a christmas story on a new york city subway station. did you ever lick a pole? "fox & friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> the thing about that pole in the subway, i don't even like to touch it with my hands. e
. and healthcare.gov is running smoothly the obama administration is back in sales mode and president obama will kickoff a campaign today to promote the affordable care act. the white house wants to point out the benefits of the reform law and they plan to focus on a specific benefit each day until the sign up deadline on december 23, that is when anyone who needs coverage on january 1st must be enrolled. the white house is offering money to ensurers so people who like their health plans can keep them. the obama administration says the payments would offset the cost of reinstating cancelled policies and millions of people received cancellation notices and the cancelled policies do not meet the standards of the healthcare law. it was an attack that standed the dance world, now the verdict is in for a former member of russia's famed ballet and find out why you may have to pay sales tax for everything you buy online and the fight over food and they are considering cutting subsidies to some of the world's poorest people. ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome back to al jazeera america and i'm thomas
to al jazeera america. >>> the obama administration is looking to undo the damage to the affordable care act's image done by the problems, of course, with the problem plagued website. in a moment we'll look at what the president needs to do during his campaign to accomplish that. >> first let's look at the temperatures across the nation. metrologist nicole mitchell is here. >> we have a contrast once we get to the southern plains today - going to the 20s or 30s. houston is at 71. this is where it's really gotten brutal. single-digit temperatures. adding in the wind. feels like 30 below. this is going to be a spreading sign over the weekend. the wind chills that are really brutal out there. the cold air will settle and over the next couple of days the warmer spots in the south - innocently it while you have it. although not the negatives. they will change over the next couple of days, houston at 82 - it won't be long-lived. >> looking to reverse weeks of bad publicity about the federal healthcare website barack obama urged americans to ignore the critics saying they are rooting for the af
. how can president obama be a racist when he is trying to provide health care to every american regardless of what ethnicity they are. back to the economy, you said you are optimistic. specifically, why? caller: it is getting better. buts not 100% better it is getting better. the former president, bush, made this economy terrible. now that things are getting better, it is just taking time. the republicans just keep blocking everything obama puts out there. if the republicans learn how to work with the president, maybe things can move much faster. was: do you think it because of government intervention that the economy is getting better you go -- better yet go -- better? republicans learn how to work with the president, they be things will get done faster. there would be faster growth in the economy. host: angela in georgia. from the 31 toso 50 category. deep in southwest georgia. agomember about 15 years when president george w. bush encouraged companies to thin work overseas and to emphasize we should have a service economy. college graduate, i have a degree in certification. i
. >>> a revamp and a resale. president obama will try to make the case again to the american people for his health care reform program. it has hit several stumbles still launching in october. >>> as the british prime minister visits china, the country's polit bureau expands domestic demand and pushes forward its key reform. >> announcer: you're watching "worldwide exchange," bringing you business news from around the globe. >> if you've just joined us stateside, u.s. futures are indicating a softer start after the close we saw yesterday. the s&p down nearly five right now. the dow is some, what, 35 points below fair value? the nasdaq at the moment is on fair value, just about the s&p 500 is around 3.5 points below fair value. european equities have been soft and we're down near the session lows. the cac 40 in france, up 1.5%. the italian market down 0.5%. meanwhile, u.s. vice president joe biden and the japanese prime minister shinzo abe have been giving a statement in tokyo. japanese prime minister abe saying we cannot accept china's one sided air defense zone over the east china sea throu
left intact, and instead of universal health care, they got obamacare. mr. obama's not running for office, a whole new feisty brand of populism is sweeping the party. firebrands like warren along with new york city's new mayor, bill de blasio, are some of the darlings. centrists from the think tank third way warned against moving to the extreme left in a scathing "wall street journal" op-ed that said, quote: >> r eporter: former president bill clinton deliberately picked fights with far-left liberals to cast himself and the party as more mainstream. both parties face this. listen to a warning for his own party, democrats, from indiana u.s. senator even bye. >> i do think you're going to see a more activist, liberal wig of the democratic party, and you may see them playing the same role in democratic primary contests that the tea party has played on the republican side where you have anti-establishment, more ideologically pure, for lack of a better word, candidates running which then lead to less electable nominees. >> reporter: so centrists are warning the liberal progressives
and banking. and later, aous panel examines -- a house panel examines president obama's use of executive power in making changes to the health care law. live coverage at 10 eastern. >> this morning a discussion on pell grants and college affordability. we'll l aerofrom student -- aerofrom student financial aid officials. live coverage begins at 10 eastern on c-span3. >> i didn't give the idea for the for dummy's series. i had an idea to do a beginning book about computers, about dos specifically, and i kind of inspired myself to do that just dealing with people in a magazine editing job i had, being on the radio at that time and being out in the public and talking to people about computers. it was obvious that people wanted to learn more, but the material we had available at the time just wasn't doing the job. .. and, unfortunately, or fortunately, 5000 copies came off the press. originally it was going to be 7500 but they stopped it at 5000 they figured okay, we will shout this out in the marketplace and it will go away. at the time that all the bookstores even wanted to have it. waldenbooks
, the truth is this is part of a much larger sort of plan that obama has to fix, from the his perspective, income inequality. the health care plan is not just about delivering health care, it's about making this a more even, flatter society. i think this is part of the great motivation behind it. so it's of a piece of a world view. martha: chris, one last thought on. hispanics also seem to be liking the president a little bit less lately. you know, is it part of a larger piece, and what would conservatives take away from these issues and these numbers, do you think? >> when the president was being gently nuzzled yesterday in his interview with chris matthews -- [laughter] the point on which matthews insisted on pressing the president was why aren't you delivering on the excellence that you are capable of, why aren't you more excellent? and as he was pushing, the president continued to say, well, it's the republicans' fault. and and finally, in a moment of almost exasperation, the president said, look, nothing good or important happens really in the united states government until you have
in washington on the affordable care act and not on another government shut down. they learned that the loft time you. >> ok. >> i think their incentive this time is to keep the trains running. >> thank you. president obama is on his way to south africa to pay tribute to nelson mandela. the president left on air force one just a few moments ago. president george h.w. bush onboard. president clinton and president cart he are also scheduled to attended the memorial service set for tuesday. george h.w. bush is the only living president who will not be in attendance for health reasons. >> we should point out that this film was personal. it's about your stepfather. he is one of those unsung heroes who we should behind the scene to say free nelson mandela. tell us more about him. >> he joined our family in 1972, and he brought with hill the news of nelson mandela, that was about eight years before the free nelson mandela campaign which launched nelson mandela as a symbol of the anti apartheid movement. when he went underground when nelson mandela was criminalized, he sent out a generation of peopl
. >>> president obama wants to sell the american people on the relaunch of his troubled health care program today. he'll be starting speaking at 2:30 eastern time today. >>> let's check on the markets in anticipation of this. it wasn't too auspicious of a start yesterday. and again this morning, not so great, either. a lot of -- in the last two weeks, we have heard the word bubble like 100 times. so i don't know whether that initially just gets people to sell it off. it doesn't mean we're going down 5% or 10%, but at least it's starting with a little bit of trepidation. we have eight street weeks of gains, it probably wouldn't be surprising to not go nine. but down about 48 points is what we're looking at on the dow jones. the s&p is up 20% for the year. take a look at oil as we head into the all-important christmas season for retailers. people have a little more in their pockets as gasoline prices come down. the ten-year, which we always watch, given that some day somehow somewhere janet yellen is going to -- >> look at that. it's almost 2.8%. >> 2.8%. the dollar should be going up against these
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